Hi, i'm a new member of this great forum.
I woul like to Know what cells you use on your trikes...
I know that Kan produces High Rate discharge AA cells (Kan 1400mAh and Kan 1800mAh battery), but i've seen tha you use a different battery.
What battery do you use? (i would like to know manufacturer and some tecnical data, like IR, discharge rate current, weight)
Where i can buy them?
Thanks in advantage for you help, best regards
F.S.
EDIT: i'm sorry if i've posted in the wrong section, but i can't read Chinese language... :(
引用FallinStar在2007-7-19 22:51:10的发言:what do you say, I don't know.
Hi, i'm a new member of this great forum.I woul like to Know what cells you use on your trikes...
I know that Kan produces High Rate discharge AA cells (Kan 1400mAh and Kan 1800mAh battery), but i've seen tha you use a different battery.
What battery do you use? (i would like to know manufacturer and some tecnical data, like IR, discharge rate current, weight)
Where i can buy them?Thanks in advantage for you help, best regards
F.S.
EDIT: i'm sorry if i've posted in the wrong section, but i can't read Chinese language... :(
SHV the Super High Voltage 1600, which is made by Tianhao model Co,.ltd, is the best battery. if u want to know sth about it, you should read this : http://www.mini4wd.org/bbs/dispbbs.asp?boardID=11&ID=2346
The link can lead you to choose what u want and what you really need .
引用12驱车在2007-7-19 23:00:12的发言:Sorry, are you jokin' ?
what do you say, I don't know.
I would like to know what batteries you use on trike! :)
For example I've seen those purple batteries, but i would like to know something more (just the manufacturer, where i can buy them, internal resistence, discharge current).
So let me know!
引用天才的祈祷在2007-7-19 23:13:43的发言:
SHV the Super High Voltage 1600, which is made by Tianhao model Co,.ltd, is the best battery. if u want to know sth about it, you should read this : http://www.mini4wd.org/bbs/dispbbs.asp?boardID=11&ID=2346The link can lead you to choose what u want and what you really need .
The link is wrong, or is all in Chinese :(
Where i can find SHV 1600?
How much will be a couple of those cell?
Thanks a lot!
And what abou those cells: http://shida.manufacturer.globalsources.com/si/6008800736871/pdtl/NiMH-battery/1001983391/1-600mAh-AA-Size-12C-High-power-NiMH-Rechargeable-Battery.htm
Have someone tested them?
please wait a moment , i'll show you the battery's information.
Great, Thanks a lot ;)
some one help me
Hello,FallinStar!
Welcome to join us and we are very happy to see a foreign friend!
The battery we use in China is produced by TianHao and "老徐" is the owner of the company.
This is the image of the battery.The Super High Voltage (SHV)
Now in China,this kind of battery is seen as the best choose for track cars' racing.We can say that it can be the king of the battery for racing in China.For more detail of the battery,Please chack out this web page:
引爆轨道车界革命性突破的产品上市
Of course there's always an second choice.You can alse choose the barrery made by AULDEL(we call it AD for short),which were as widely used as TianHao's.Though not has so high performance as the SHV,there's still many racer choose that kind battery.
Do not choose AD, seriously
Perhaps ,S H V is the king of the world.
呵呵 天才 我也没说要他选AD了啊,我只是说有这个东西罢了~
"The king of the battery for racing" 我想这点大家是有共识的~呵呵~
引用天才的祈祷在2007-7-19 23:35:30的发言:
Do not choose AD, seriouslyPerhaps ,S H V is the king of the world.
AD are no good?
Why?
No one of you uses Kan 1800 mAh Batteries?
Where i can buy TH cells? I've to ask to that guy?
How much is a couple of TH SHV Cell?
Thanks to all :D
FS
Sorry, has someone got a pic or a link to Audel battery?
I live in Europe, and i can't find anything on internet
hehe 是的是的对比一下
AD battery is only for toys, but SHV is for the track car's racing
if you really want this battery, maybe use your telephone is the best way to communicate with "老徐"or "Lao Xu" or "slow rabbit" 86-021-54155632
He is the manager of Tianhao model.
引用天才的祈祷在2007-7-19 23:47:08的发言:
hehe 是的是的对比一下if you really want this battery, maybe use your telephone is the best way to communicate with "老徐"or "Lao Xu" or "slow rabbit" 86-021-54155632
The problem is that i live in Europe :(
The call will be a little expansive!
Has he got a mail address?
Does he know English?
yep, he isnot good at English. so we will find another way for you to buy those kinds of goods. please wait a moment
My son knows a little English.This is my e-mail address:th1717_mini4wd@hotmail.com
good job for "slow rabbit"
good luck for FallinStar
引用天才的祈祷在2007-7-19 23:53:27的发言:
yep, he isnot good at English. so we will find another way for you to buy those kinds of goods. please wait a moment
I think i'm quite in love with you.......
Hi, "Mr TH"...
I'll send you a mail...
Sorry, "slow rabbit" do you live in China?
Where i can find info for AD battery? A photo?
Thanks @ all
.......dear friend, if have something not clear, you can send E-mail: lybstc8163@163.com
"TH" is the company's name...
the KEN 1800 is also made in china.
you 'll find something amazing when you get the SHV.
I live in Shanghai,China.
引用天才的祈祷在2007-7-20 0:01:20的发言:
the KEN 1800 is also made in china.you 'll find something amazing when you get the SHV.
引用老徐在2007-7-20 0:03:12的发言:
I live in Shanghai,China.
Thank you very much
I've send the same mail to both of you, to know some "commercial info" fo TH battery...
I'll wait your reply (especially your SlowRabbit ).
Thanks a Lot, best regards
FS
天才的祈祷 will reply you.His English is very good.I'm poor at English.
so , ups or shipping ? which one do you think better?
引用天才的祈祷在2007-7-20 0:15:59的发言:
so , ups or shipping ? which one do you think better?
Less expansive!
I need them for september...
Do you also know weight of a TH 1600 cell?
A TH 1600 cell weighs about 30g.
28-29 g percell
引用天才的祈祷在2007-7-20 0:19:49的发言:
28-29 g percell
So, they are quite heavy
You know also weight of AD cells?
A AD cell also weighs about 27g.
引用老徐在2007-7-20 0:23:51的发言:
A AD cell also weighs about 27g.
Do you know where i can find some tecnical data of those cells?
Nowadays, the weight is not the most important thing
do you have some pro charger?
It's heavy because it has more chemical composition.
引用天才的祈祷在2007-7-20 0:26:00的发言:
Nowadays, the weight is not the most important thingdo you have some pro charger?
Like MuchMore CTX-C, Spintec ICC, Robitronic Overloader, and MuchMore CTX-D2 for discharging and testing?
引用老徐在2007-7-20 0:31:34的发言:
It's heavy because it has more chemical composition.
I was thinking so...
so you can use MM to charge in 3.5a and discharge in 10a
and you'll find the different between SHV and otners
do you have turbo35gfx or turbo435
if you have turbo system, you can discharge in 35A .
that is a good way for test, but after that ,your battery is might be dead
引用天才的祈祷在2007-7-20 0:37:41的发言:
so you can use MM to charge in 3.5a and discharge in 10aand you'll find the different between SHV and otners
do you have turbo35gfx or turbo435
Nho, i've seen those chargers, but i think they are too expansive, and on our cell (Kan 1800) we can't see differences from Duratrax ice, or MM...
I know it can discharge @ 35continuous amps...
FS
more than 350us dollars, if you can't afford it,maybe choose "orion" made by kyosho
it is very popular in china
引用天才的祈祷在2007-7-20 0:40:32的发言:
if you have turbo system, you can discharge in 35A .that is a good way for test, but after that ,your battery is might be dead
I've tried to test Kan 1400mAh battery with a Turbo 30 charger, discharging it @ 30A cutoff 0,9, but at aproximately 17-18A (after 1-1,5 sec) the cell drop under 0,9V
引用天才的祈祷在2007-7-20 0:42:07的发言:
more than 350us dollars, if you can't afford it,maybe choose "orion" made by kyoshoit is very popular in china
in italy with 300$ i can buy about 50+ beers!!!
it is much cheaper than in hongkong. i 've send you some information about the TH battery, you can cherk your maill
do you have msn?
引用天才的祈祷在2007-7-20 0:54:05的发言:
do you have msn?
Check you email
Now i would like to have some info on AD cells...
No one have got something?
we would never test
AD battery
but you can buy some both AD and TH battery , maybe slow rabbit can help you
Sorry, and those purple battery?
Who's the manufacturer?
引用天才的祈祷在2007-7-19 23:35:30的发言:这句我看懂了,不过要根据个人情况买合适的电池.
Do not choose AD, seriouslyPerhaps ,S H V is the king of the world.
引用FallinStar在2007-7-20 4:13:33的发言:This kind battery is also made by TH,but it has stop producting for about two or three years~
Sorry, and those purple battery?
Who's the manufacturer?
and it's really better than others three years ago
引用天才的祈祷在2007-7-20 12:53:30的发言:
and it's really better than others three years ago
配合的不错啊,呵呵~
咱俩越来越像是在说相声啊
sky:how to say "相声"
Maybe:Xiangsheng,hehe~
I think we should call it Talk-Show~
So, really many thanks to all for your help...
So, if've i undestand right:
1° choice: TH SHV 1600mAh
2° choice: AD 1800 mAh (please, a PIC!!!)
Athor types/manufacturer?
I've seen also TH 1800mAh battery...Are they good? SHV 1600mAh are quite better, right?
FS
TH 1800 is better than AD 1800, but they all for the freshman
引用天才的祈祷在2007-7-20 14:34:45的发言:
TH 1800 is better than AD 1800, but they all for the freshman
But noone has tested kan battery?
They are the only one we use, so i would like to know if someone as tested Kan, and what he thinks about...
FS
The Kan,I've never used,and never heard of,so I'm sorry I can't help you.
天才,do you know anything about Kan?
Those are Kan Battery.
www.kanbattery.com , you can purchase it at Elemodel i think.
They can discharge continuosly up to 18-20 Amps, IR about 5mOhm (but i think that it's around 13-15) 27,5g weight.
We use those cells, and we found them really fantastic...
FS
Those are Kan Battery.
www.kanbattery.com , you can purchase it at Elemodel i think.
They can discharge continuosly up to 18-20 Amps, IR about 5mOhm (but i think that it's around 13-15) 27,5g weight.
We use those cells, and we found them really fantastic...
FS
TH SHV 1600 can be discharged in 25C,
and then the battery's discharge time can beyond 167seconds when you use 30Amp:)
the IR must be 8.5 mΩ (it's not the lowest)
if you want to get the best performence, you should take the temp. to 60-70,
引用天才的祈祷在2007-7-20 22:20:19的发言:
TH SHV 1600 can be discharged in 25C,and then the battery's discharge time can beyond 167seconds when you use 30Amp:)
the IR must be 8.5 mΩ (it's not the lowest)
if you want to get the best performence, you should take the temp. to 60-70,
60-70° CELSIUS ?!?
Isn't it a little bit too high?
FS
no, 80-90 could be ok
but when the compitition finished, you should put your battery into the litter bin
引用天才的祈祷在2007-7-20 23:23:06的发言:
no, 80-90 could be okbut when the compitition finished, you should put your battery into the litter bin
If i'll put in the cells at this temp, in Tamiya Plastic Chassis i'll completely burn it!
And i'll burn my hands too
you can buy a fan to control the temp.:)
it 's a good way
no ,I have lots of Tamiya Plastic Chassis, it's ok don't worry about it
because when you take the battery into the Chassis, the temp will decreased in a short moment
麻烦谁翻译一下 谢谢
英文白痴
引用FallinStar在2007-7-20 0:44:54的发言:
in italy with 300$ i can buy about 50+ beers!!!
Hello,FallinStar!
Are you from Italy?
I live in Hong Kong,
if you have something want to buy
You can find me,
Please Check Message,I had give you my MSN
我只看懂几句.
引用天才的祈祷在2007-7-20 23:35:45的发言:
you can buy a fan to control the temp.:)
it 's a good way
引用FallinStar在2007-7-20 23:31:20的发言:
If i'll put in the cells at this temp, in Tamiya Plastic Chassis i'll completely burn it!
And i'll burn my hands too
So had you get Hurt?
If you have a lot of Tamiya Plastic Chassis
try this!!
The Easiest way to do
The Cheapest way to build
I use a Peltier Cell ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermoelectric_cooling )to cool down battery
I've built a mini room (80x150x40 mm) that i can keep form 0 to 20 °C
FS
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to 乐: I 've got a GHOSTFORCE TYPE 1 CHASSIS, it's a summer special version:)
to FallinStar: why don't you show your miniroom? we 'd love to !!!!
now,speak it in chinese,ok?
the upstairs: you just made a big mistake.
chinese? Chinese?
引用天才的祈祷在2007-7-19 23:13:43的发言:you MA dao yidili le ma ??
SHV the Super High Voltage 1600, which is made by Tianhao model Co,.ltd, is the best battery. if u want to know sth about it, you should read this : http://www.mini4wd.org/bbs/dispbbs.asp?boardID=11&ID=2346The link can lead you to choose what u want and what you really need .
引用桃之妖在2007-7-22 15:37:42的发言:
you MA dao yidili le ma ??
you just shut up and get out of this place
we don't want to say anything for you and your BaoJi
引用天才的祈祷在2007-7-22 0:31:42的发言:
to 乐: I 've got a GHOSTFORCE TYPE 1 CHASSIS, it's a summer special version:)to FallinStar: why don't you show your miniroom? we 'd love to !!!!
Those are the 3 finalist cars of italian official championship 2006.
My car is the one in the middle.
They look quite strange because in Italy we have very different rules, and very different types of track insted of you.
Have you got also some pics of your battery holder?
This was the track on the final...We run in about 7,8-8 m/s at that time.
Now we run in about 8-8,5 m/s.
The speed isn't high as the trike, but remember that we have to use ONLY tamiya parts, tamiya motors (without any changing) and we run with lane changer...Try to pass lane changer at 20 m/s
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fantastic cars !!!
why do you make your front tire distance longer than back one
and how do you put bearings on your car?
can it make your car fast?
On lane charger bigger wheel distance = major stability during, but it slows the car a little bit.
So we use large distance in front to help stability and to keep the car well balanced during lane changer, but we use small distance in the back to be a littel faster in curve (than if we have also large distance in the back).
We use standard tamiya 9mm bearing ( + an alluminium ring, that in a Tamiya item.We make a 9mm hole in so we can put 9mm ball bearing).
The bb is glued on a motor pignon.
Have you got some photos of your battery holder?
On which you charge/discharge AA cells at high rate...
Thanks a lot
FS
o yes
"large distance in front to help stability and to keep the car well balanced during lane changer"
great job !!
those are my battery holders
but i still don't know
one game within 3cars on the track? or one by one? or just for fun?
引用天才的祈祷在2007-7-22 23:27:04的发言:
but i still don't knowone game within 3cars on the track? or one by one? or just for fun?
No, using lane changer, and doing 3 laps, all the car will do the same distance.
So we run three for times, and we do three manches (so every one will run in every lane).
Usually our are do in this way:
1° part: Time Lap. We have 3 or for run, and it's taken the best time for each races.Then it is made the charm.
The first 12 racers will pass to 2 part
2° part: Points. We run always 3 at times, 3 different manches for every racers.If you win your manches you get 4 points, if you place 2° you get 2 points, if you get last 1 point, if you "fly away" on the lane changer you get 0 point.At the end of this part charm is made by point.If two or more racers have the same point, then we check their best time done in the time lap.
3° Final: the first 3 racers of the "point charm" will run the Final, for 1-2-3 place, the 4-5-6 will run the final for 4-5-6 place.Rules are the same as in the "point part".
You battery holder are great.I'm doing quite similar holder, when i've finisched i'll post some pics.
FS
P.S. Do you use Team Orion charger? I've tested It, but i didn't like it very much...I prefer Duratrax ice, CTX-C.
That's why we need much more batteries.
The Team Orion can charge battery between 0.1-10a.
We often use 3.5A to charge it, and then use 6-10A for turbo it
at that time, the temp. of the battery can beyond 80,
we are not rejected in our match for testing and racing
we could get the best time(personal fast score) and we need to take the car on the open tables.
and if you want to create a new record , you can continue racing before the deadline
so we often find that the batteries is a high consumption of material.
just for someone like me ,
we called it "burning money"
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Duratrax ice?
what's that? would mind to show some pics?
muchmore=CTX-C?
引用天才的祈祷在2007-7-23 0:01:00的发言:
Duratrax ice?what's that? would mind to show some pics?
muchmore=CTX-C?
Yes, CTX-C is the MuchMore charger.
This is duratrax ice:
Some other manufacturer (Robitronic, Team CheckPoint, Robbe, Yokohomo, Supernova) have done other charger with the same electronic and a very similar software to Ice Charger.
FS
oh yep I know that
can you show some information about it ?
引用天才的祈祷在2007-7-23 1:39:13的发言:
oh yep I know thatcan you show some information about it ?
Yes
Charging 1-10cells (Ni-Cd/Mh) from 0,1 to 8Amps
Discharge 1-10 cells from 0,1 to 10A
both at 0,1 steps.
Linear, reflex, impulse e 4steps charge, motor run in (1-8V @10A continuos), dpeak ZeroVolt or 3-25mV (per cell) 1mV steps.
Temp cutoff, capacity cutoff, dpeak cutoff, long lockout...
Here you can find official details: http://duratrax.com/caraccys/dtxp4170.html
thanks a lot
The tekin :)
one of my car
this is Genius
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Oh, what are those light blue cell in the first pics?
Here in Italy we have seen some of TH trike, and also some Buzz and squat...
They run really fast
the light blue cells is the TH1700 in 2006
to be fast is more easy than not to be "fly away" hoho
引用天才的祈祷在2007-7-23 21:25:45的发言:
the light blue cells is the TH1700 in 2006to be fast is more easy than not to be "fly away" hoho
I don't haver already received Mr. SlowRabbit mail....
Trike usually run with front or rear motor?
yep Trike is the frontWD
if you take the motor to the rear, you'll find trike become more slow
that is the real difference between 4wd and trike
引用天才的祈祷在2007-7-22 0:31:42的发言:
to 乐: I 've got a GHOSTFORCE TYPE 1 CHASSIS, it's a summer special version:)to FallinStar: why don't you show your miniroom? we 'd love to !!!!
天才
你可以跟我說中文
引用樂在2007-7-23 21:49:26的发言:
天才
你可以跟我說中文
这里有位朋友呀,所以为了尊重他,我们聊天也让他看懂吧你同意吧呵呵:)
引用FallinStar在2007-7-23 21:32:07的发言:
I don't haver already received Mr. SlowRabbit mail....
Trike usually run with front or rear motor?
My English is not very well.天才的祈祷 will answer your questions instead of me.Have you received his mail?
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TO upstairs:thanks
引用老徐在2007-7-24 15:39:30的发言:
[quote=FallinStar,2007-7-23 21:32:07]I don't haver already received Mr. SlowRabbit mail....
Trike usually run with front or rear motor?
My English is not very well.天才的祈祷 will answer your questions instead of me.Have you received his mail?[/quote]
I'm waiting to know final price for 6 couple of cells, and shipping cost to italy...
FallinStar: are you okay?
引用天才的祈祷在2007-7-26 13:59:10的发言:
FallinStar: are you okay?
Yes, I'm waiting news from mr SlowRabbit...For shipping costs, and payment.
But he doesn't answer me
slow rabbit said : 15$ for a couple *6= 90$ and shipping costs is 20$/kg
引用天才的祈祷在2007-7-26 15:49:53的发言:
slow rabbit said : 15$ for a couple *6= 90$ and shipping costs is 20$/kg
Check your mail
of cause , it's your turn
引用天才的祈祷在2007-7-27 1:04:16的发言:
of cause , it's your turn
This is my battery holder.
haha , !!!!!!!!!!!nice!!!!!
but where is the ken battery's factory?
and batteries' data:)
引用天才的祈祷在2007-7-29 2:05:54的发言:
haha , !!!!!!!!!!!nice!!!!!but where is the ken battery's factory?
and batteries' data:)
It's kAn, not kEn...
www.kanbattery.com you can find what you want
I think the manufacturer is in China...
If you look in page 2-3 of this thread you could find datasheet of Kan 1800mAh battery
all right
slow rabbit has send a mail to you
引用天才的祈祷在2007-7-29 3:04:56的发言:
all rightslow rabbit has send a mail to you
Yes, we are ok
Really thanks a lot to you............
it's my pleasure
please introduce this forum to your friends,
communication is very important:)
Sorry, Mr Slowrabbit can you reply to may e-mails?
Thanks a lot!
Mr. rabbit is take part in the RC Racing in Foshan, China
i 'll send you the batteries when his wife receive your remittance.
the bank manager told us the remittance must be received within 7days from Italy to China.
So please wait for a moment:) or you can send me a mail :
lybstc8163@163.com
天才的祈祷
天才```is this u ID ?----北斗帝速
The batteries have been sent today.
I'm sorry I couldn't reply your mails. I have took part in the RC race.Now I'm going to repare the trikes race of this great forum.Most members of this great forum will take part in the race.They wil also leave for a moment.I will go back next week.
引用老徐在2007-8-7 13:19:29的发言:
I'm sorry I couldn't reply your mails. I have took part in the RC race.Now I'm going to repare the trikes race of this great forum.Most members of this great forum will take part in the race.They wil also leave for a moment.I will go back next week.
No problem ;)
Thanks a lot!
FS
WHY~~````~~```Why donot i have time to join it !!!
cry~~```````
We call the express, and than the postman told us : it's 40USD /500g
that means: we pay another 20USD
but ,that's all right, because you are the first one we really need you to introduce China's MINI4WD.
to my surprise, the cost is too expensive to send sth between Shanghai China and Binasco Italy.
:) best wishes
GENIUS
really thanks a lot ;)
Now, some "tricks" on how to charge/discharge them?